YES, YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION IF YOU NEVER HAD IT TO BEGIN WITH
Once saved always saved is a very dangerous doctrine that is sending multitudes to hell. The pastors are responsible for this, and GOD will hold them to account. It's not because it isn't true, but it's because many people use it as an excuse to live however they want and worship a god they have made up in their head. They think they are worshiping the true GOD, but, they usually aren't if they are living they way they want, not in obedience to the True GOD. Works do NOT save us, but obedience to GOD proves that we are truly His.
Let's examine the word "saved." Notice that it is the past tense of the word. How can we be saved if we are still here on earth. We aren't actually saved until our life is over, and we are securely in Heaven with our Savior. What we are doing down here is as Paul said is, "Working out our salvation with fear and trembling." The fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom. Those who are "once saved always saved," do not truly fear GOD, because that doctrine has given them a license to live in sin. They say they are not living in sin, but many are deceived. They say, "we are under grace not law," hence they make grace and free will their idol to live however they want.
My (ex) husband says, "We are all sinners." That seems to give him the excuse to abandon all his vows he made to GOD and his family and me ten times? (Eight baby dedications and two wedding ceremonies, one being a Covenant Marriage Ceremony) He is convinced that he's saved, and that GOD is okay with him getting his no-fault divorce. I did not sign any of those papers, and let me tell you, my friend, GOD does not answer to a civil judge. I have tried so hard to tell him that living outside of GOD's will does not make one "saved," as the church teaches. If we choose to live outside of GOD's will, it's because the Holy Spirit is not in us to convict us of truth. If the Holy Spirit is not in us to convict us of the Truth, then we aren't really "saved," now are we?
These carnal-minded people will even go up against the will of GOD, claiming that man has free will, and all sins are forgiven, past, present, future. There is enough truth in that to be deceiving, because that's how the devil works. He puts truth mixed in with his lies to deceive many. They've been taught once saved, always saved, and they use that false assurance as permission from the god they made up in their heads by their faulty reasoning as an excuse for their carnal lifestyles. Jesus says he will vomit these lukewarm, deceived church goers out of his mouth. The Greek word for "spit you out" really means VOMIT. How being called vomit doesn't bother some, behooves me.
My ex-husband used to say all the time that when he did read the Bible, he "got nothing out of it." That should have been a red flag for me that maybe he was never truly saved. He lived in partial obedience for much of our married life, but as time moved on, and our tribulations increased, he would complain and say, "I don't see GOD doing anything for me right now." My comeback was always, "What are you doing for Him." By that time, GOD was on the back burner, and his hobbies and toys, which changed regularly always took priority, over his marriage, over his children, over the emotional health of his family.
His idea of being the spiritual leader of the family was driving the family vehicle to church every week, and sitting in the pew listening, but not really learning. There was a reason GOD kept allowing the tribulation of our lives to continue and increase. I kept telling him that GOD was trying to get his attention to get down on his knees and repent of putting GOD last. That only served to push him even further away from GOD and me. He had no interest in saving our marriage, and when dual cancers came along, he got out the shovel and buried it.
Malachi 2:13And this is another thing you do: you cover the altar of the Lord with tears, with weeping and sighing, because He no longer gives attention to the offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. 14Yet you say, “For what reason?” Because the Lord has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your marriage companion and your wife by covenant
Jesus said that the greatest commandment is to love GOD with all our hearts, our souls, and our mind. I don't know about you but when I love someone like that, I'm going to do anything to please them, even if it means living completely contrary to what my carnal flesh desires. I don't claim to know the things of GOD and who will end up where, however, right now it appears as if my ex-husband may not be truly saved, and that grieves me to no end. I know GOD's Grace is huge, but I don't believe it is cheap.
When I cornered him on the divorce, which he held over my head for six years, I asked him, "Is GOD telling you to divorce me. Just give me a yes or no answer." He said no. He admitted to going up against the will of GOD when he divorced every vow he made to GOD and me and his children. At present, he isn't living anything that resembles a devoted life to Jesus and the greatest commandment. I've always believed that you can a person's priority and passion by what's on their Facebook page, and my ex-husband's is replete with his hobby of the month.
We were married legally for 36 years. We attended church from 1989-2014 religiously, pun not intended. We were very involved the in "programs." We homeschooled our children. We had two wedding ceremonies, the first time before we were born-again, and then one in church on our fifth wedding anniversary and made our marriage a covenant marriage. We had eight children, so that's two wedding ceremonies and eight baby dedications which totals ten times my ex-husband vowed to GOD to stay married to the wife of his youth, as the Bible calls me. How does someone just break ten vows to GOD and not feel terribly guilty? I cannot even break one, but that shows where each of our hearts are, and I'm afraid, his heart was never truly belonging to Jesus, ever.
He had gotten his Bachelor's degree in 2010, by going to night Christian college. He didn't pay a dime for it, all was in scholarship and grants. He worked his butt off, working full-time and going to school. When he lost his job, he was able to devote more time to his studies, and the very month unemployment ran out, GOD provided some work with a temp agency. They kept putting him in positions he was unqualified for, and again, he lost those job. In all this, all he did was complain, complain, complain, but never turned this over to the LORD, nor his heart. About the time he finished college, the LORD provided a permanent job, which he still has, but, the pay was less than 1/3 take home he had before. We were thrown in severe financial crisis. Everything started breaking around the house, and we couldn't afford to fix them. Again, he complained that GOD wasn't helping him at all.
The more I tried to encourage him to check his walk with GOD, the further it pushed him away from both of us. It was in 2014 when dual cancers hit both of us that I watched him fade away, and completely give up on GOD. It was as if GOD betrayed him, and that was it for him.
He calls himself a Christian, because he says he believes in Jesus and that Jesus died for his sins. The church tells him that's all that is required, and he believes that he can just go about living a worldly carnal life, going up against GOD's will, destroying his family, and because he believes Jesus died for his sins, that he's okay with GOD. Demons believe in Jesus, and they know he dies for our sins. That makes my ex-husband no different.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
James 2:14 What use is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 17 In the same way, faith also, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Matthew 24: 10 And at that time many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will rise up and mislead many people. 12 And because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will become cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end is the one who will be saved.
I do not know if he is saved, and there isn't a darn thing I can do about it. I told him, I've showed him in Scripture, I've sent videos, and he wants NOTHING to do with it, because he says "he's okay," but he's not.
This has burdened me for seven years. I have gone over and over, trying to find Scriptures to prove that he is truly saved, and I cannot find ones that agree with the whole of Scripture, Old Testament and New. Many times in the Hebrew Scriptures, as I like to call them, GOD sent His prophets to warn them that they had committed spiritual adultery by living their own way and forgetting the GOD who delivered them from Egypt. He even said through the prophets that he would divorce them. And, eventually both kingdoms fell due because they would not turn back and love GOD with all their hearts, all their souls, and all their mind. The Bible says, Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and always. Henceforth, those who wander away and do not turn back, have proven that they have lost the (false) salvation they thought they had.
I hate what he's done and who he has become, but I don't want him to go to hell. Only GOD can convict people that they have drifted away too far, and only GOD can bring someone back to Him (like the prodigal), however, Hebrews 6 warns us, you can drift too far and it's impossible to bring you back. (At that point GOD hardens their hearts, because He knows that their heart hate Him.)
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
SO, YES YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION BECAUSE YOU MAY NEVER HAD IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
